Visitors from around the world, but especially from North America, emerge from cruise ships at Southampton Docks and head immediately for London or Stonehenge. Many stay at the prestigious Grand Harbour Hotel on West Quay without knowing that their country’s heroes had stayed on that very piece of land before sacrificing their lives.
This historically, was the site for troops to be stationed before going off to wars, from Agincourt to The Falklands.
WW2 allied troops would have health check-ups and their vehicles disinfected. Servicemen would kill time playing cards and etching their names on the red-brick boundary wall. One of the most prolific times was when North American service personnel were stationed here during the run up to the D-Day manoeuvres.
When the site was demolished, local people campaigned to keep the brickwork of names standing as a monument. Unfortunately, with no glass or perspex covering these names deteriorate each year. Responsibility for the wall shifts from pillar to post.
After some research on the internet I found one man who, in despair, felt it important to catalogue the names that were still legible some years ago. However even by the time I took this photo, last year, some of those have disappeared.
Here is the list according to that person, some of the names are still very readable:
W.E SHIRK, Wm MUELLER, CLEMTATIO, JOE HAMMOND, H.L. EATHERINGTON – ZION T/S, ROBERT M RAY & DAVE RAY OHIO, ROBERT GOLDEN, Geo FABER OF COLO, JAMES HENLEY, LAWRENCE MATHIS 1941 DEC 23, JAMES ?, DES PENNY, VIRRLA PENNY, CALAVERY AMER ? ?, D CHICAGO ILLINOIS, F.F JOHNSON USA, JOE N JONES DEC 22 1944, D.W SMITH, J.C KELLOE, CHARSTON S.C, BILLIE WILSON, P.W ?- AAL, RALPH ODEL, J.L PLIEL, JONY JOHNSTON, BILL ? URBAN, W KNIGHT
And hidden behind dustbins a small demolished section of this wall in jumbled order
M.P CARTER AUG 44, M J WOMPON FEB 45, ?F RECINE – OCT 10,1944 FRANCE, P.D B?EECH – CATAWISSA PENNA, J.C CHRISTEN ?, N ALDEN BOLL M???NN, G.N BUNKER ? – CITY IOWA – 1945 BALTIMORE, EDDIE MEYER ILLINOIS 17/21/44, JOHN HELMLIIIO ELYRIA OHIO 11-4-44, DOOLING – BEVERLY MASS, R FINN, J.E WETTA- CALLAWA MIAMI FLORIDA LAB RY MT NC, ED C??BA??K – BOUND BROOK, JO COURT, ?.M SLATER MAY 13 1937, VANEE, MARTIN VA
Post: 6th JUNE, 2016
IN HONOUR OF D-DAY HEROES, 6th JUNE, 1944
I wonder how many of those guys returned from the fighting. Shame that they haven’t done something to preserve it. It is a really important day to remember–so we never reach that point again.
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Who knows how many? Hopefully some were picked up by the Dunkirk little ships. It was difficult to keep records while being bombed. One of the reasons I felt it is vital to do this post. Authorities know that the wall is important and therefore deny responsibility (selling it off) – There are so many things in England that should be preserved, which is costly when you have so many families on your homeless list. Unless sites like this are sold off to become commercial enterprises, they are lost.
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My mum always said the Americans were stationed on the Common, and in her school, perhaps that was earlier in the War. Henry V’s troops were certainly on the Common before they left for Agincourt.
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They were camped on The Common and at Stoneham and at parks and fields all over Southampton for ages. But they had to board via this station briefly before they boarded ships. It may be overnight or up to a week that they stayed here. I expect there were wash facilities but no tents unless you were ill.
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That doesn’t sound like fun, but I’m sure it was a lot more fun than what they were going to.
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Last night, I was listening to a radio call-in show while I pottered in the kitchen, and a man who had been a part of the invasion called in. It was so remarkable. It was a little hard to keep him on track — let’s just say his conversation showed his age — but his memories of those events was sharp and clear.
We need reminders like this wall. Soon, the people who remind us of such important days will be entirely gone.
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Value is always placed on money and not importance by those in authority.
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Thank you for sharing this and for doing your part to preserve this important history.
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Least I could do
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Sad, because this wall is part of the story of “everyday people” who fade so fast from history, and a powerful image of what becomes of their historical “footprints”. If similar scratchings by the soldiers who went to Agincourt were found today, there’d be huge excitement!
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You are right there. Perhaps I ought to start a petition on http://www.change.org
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That’s an idea. I hadn’t heard of Change.org before.
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I have never heard about this wall before. I must ask my Mum and Dad. Thanks for posting.
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Surprisingly not that many young people from Southampton know about it.
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I am not young!!! My Dad is 95 and my Mum is 92. I am in my 60’s but thanks for the suggesting I might be young. Ha! Ha!
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I remember telling me about your Mum and Dad now – sorry! Hope they are well. I would love to live over their side of the river. But I suppose, I never even heard about the wall until about 10 years ago. I never stop finding things out about our City.
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My reader is not working at the moment. I shall get back to yo when I get time to sort it out. I am not the best technical person.
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I took photos of the remaining names too a while ago. At leat there will be some record when the weather erases them all.
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I am glad you did too! Did you make a post about them?
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This is really interesting – thanks for posting. I love that their graffiti has become a memorial to their memory.
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If only they could decide who is in charge of it so that some perspex could be put over it. Perhaps I should do a Kickstarter!
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Dear…….. the link to my name takes you to my Virginia Wolf blog. I have put that to one side for now. Here is my everyday blog and my most recent article. Just in case you want to have a look but you don’t have to of course. All the best, Tony http://general-southerner.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/mudlarking-on-thames.html
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I tried to give you link to my everyday blog.Your blog doesn’t want to post it!!!The link you have with my name is to my Virginia Wolf blog. I am giving that a rest at the moment. Try searching for London Calling Tony Grant. You must put the Tony Grant bit. You will end up following The Clash if you just put London Calling. Ha! Ha! Have a good day, Tony
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I went to see those Punks when I lived in London! There was also a rebel fly-posting gang called London Calling and on my other blog Art So Provident, I following a blog all about London Graffiti and street art called London Calling. I have made a bookmark and will read you when I have sorted out my technical problems Tony. Thanks so much for all your comments.
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Fascinating post and photos. I hope something can be done to preserve the wall.
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Thanks – so do I
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Just been talking to my Mum and Dad on the phone. They didn’t know about the wall. My Dad was an armourer in the RAF and spent most of his war in Burma after, The Battle of Britain but my Mum was a teenager going to St Annes in the town at the time. Her brother, my uncle Howard, was killed in a bombing raid in Woolston. The Luftwaffe were trying to flatten Throneycrofts shipyard and also Supermarine where Spitfires were made.
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Over 200 were killed in the bombing raid in Woolston – I mentioned it in one of my earliest posts: https://southamptonoldlady.wordpress.com/2015/07/14/southampton-blitz/ I have also been trying to find out where a plaque has disappeared to, dedicated to Spitfire parts workers at Ford Hendy, which was requesistioned for the purpose, in Vincent’s walk. It was there until taken over by Buyology supermarket. That has now been gutted to be turned into student flats. The Council do not seem to be interested and suggested I write to the Ford Motor Company! My father was in the infantry and did a stint in Burma too. Many of my friends went to St Anne’s School. Had a brief look at your blog – but I need to update my software.
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I’ve just had a look at your post on the Southampton Blitz. The second photograph shows Bridge Road , Woolston. The bridge is the railway viaduct. The new Woolston Bridge passes over the road near their. My mother was standing in her back garden when the Luftwaffe attacked Supermarine and she heard the machine gun fire straffing workers as they ran out of the factory to the shelters on the other side of the road. She tells me over 100 people were left dead, lying in the street. If you go to Woolston have a look at Lloyds Bank on the corner of Victoria Road and Portsmouth Road. You can still see where the marks of machine gun bullets hit the bank. They have been filled in now. My uncle was a draughtsman in Thorneycrofts Shipyard. He was only 18 years old. He was a member of the Home Guard. His occupation was protected so he wasn’t called up. One night, during a raid, he and some other Home Guard were removing bodies form the bombed out London Arms Pub in Woolston when another bomb landed on them. That was that!!!
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That is such a horrible story Tony. Wars are insane. I didn’t know about the bullet holes. I will look out for them next time I pass.
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Beautiful pictures of the wall: I love the colors of the bricks. Thank you for these photos.
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Just had a look at your blog Roger, Wonderful nature photos with interesting words – you must live in a beautiful place.
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New Brunswick, Canada. We emigrated some time ago from the UK. We live outside the city in the woods in Island View, just outside Fredericton.
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look forward to more of your photos
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I visited my Mum and Dad in Woolston yesterday.They are doing well by the way. I had to take my Dad over to The General Hospital for some treatment to his eyes. They still live at home and look after each other. They have a nurse coming in once a day. My brother, who lives in Hedge End, visits them every day too. They are very good for their ages. I made a point of having a look at the D Day wall. You are right, the names are deteriorating. I also found my uncles name, Howard Thomas Reeves, on one of those green glass panels next to The Cenotaph. Thanks for all the information about the wall.All the best, Tony.
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Thanks for letting me know about your mum and dad. I think its important to get every ounce of information from people when they reach that age. I shall look out for your uncle on the green glass panels. They were once metal panels and there were attempts to steel them for scrap metal. I am glad that the Council acted quickly in this instance and worked towards replacing them with glass.
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Fascinating piece of history – we pass by so much without knowing its significance.
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Thanks janettoms – I am now following your blog as you have some interesting topics – when I get time I will give them a good read.
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Thank you for sharing this history.
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Thanks for reading it!
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I saw the D day Wall with signatures some years ago. My Mum who is now 93 (still alive!) remembered it and I went to look at it. Today (16th July 2017 I tried to find it to no avail. Demolished? I am horrified. Is there a piece left I wonder or did De Veers Hotel get rid of? I wish I had made an effort to get Southampton C.C to preserve it as a Memorial. So sad.
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It was there opposite West Gate the last time I looked. I have since moved to Dorset – but will be most upset if it has been demolished!
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I have had a conversation with the main man in Southampton City Council Heritage Dept. He has informed that the wall plus a small “saved” section is on De Vere Hotel’s property. There is no obligation for them to retain the wall! They had been keeping it out of goodwill, but who knows what may happen anytime. I was unable to find the small best section, some weeks ago and fear it is isolated by builders boarding and MAY get demolished during new building works. There was still some of the wall but I did not see the signatures which I am told are very difficult to see nowadays and whether viewable depends on the light.
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Thanks for taking the time to reply. It seems that money is put before everything in our society, doesn’t it?
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I am pleased to announce that the Maritime Archaeology Trust in Southampton has been awarded National Lottery Heritage funding to record and research this wall. Posts like this proved there was sufficient interest from people in the city. The project will provide many opportunities for volunteers to be involved – to help record the wall, research in the archives and online, and to use genealogical skills to trace these men. Specialist photography techniques will be used to record the wall and inscriptions and will be used to create an online interactive 3D model. This will enable people to take a virtual tour of the site and see the inscriptions and information about the men who left them. A full programme of interpretation and outreach is planned including public talks, schools workshops, guided tours, attendance at local events and information panels to be placed at the wall.
If you would like to volunteer or find out more please visit https://maritimearchaeologytrust.org/ddaywalls and follow us on social media Twitter (@Maritimetrust), Facebook (@maritimearchaeologytrust), and Instagram (@maritimearchaeologytrust).
Thank you.
Helen Wallbridge, Project Officer, Maritime Archaeology Trust
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Thank you so much. I now live some distance away from Southampton but anyway that I can help I will. This is fantastic news.
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Not sure if you got my message. Thank you so much. This is great news!
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Yay! It is being saved and the North American veterans came to visit it today in time for the 75th Anniversary of D-Day https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-48472770?fbclid=IwAR02S7BOjCjLS8l4M7cIX4cY5ljEoDQ7Ayh6g44ISNXxq0vyWEgGeuKmMrw
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Reblogged this on SNIPS & SNAPS and commented:
At last the Maritime Archeologist are saving the way. The D-Day veterans from the US came to visit the wall yesterday, in time for the 75th Anniversary. Blogging works!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-48472770?fbclid=IwAR02S7BOjCjLS8l4M7cIX4cY5ljEoDQ7Ayh6g44ISNXxq0vyWEgGeuKmMrw
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I visited the wall today and was able to read quite a few names. I wondered why there was no “Plaque” from a Heritage organisation. Maybe as a “quick start” to preservation, the Maritime Archeologist could get a plaque, even if only temporary, to mork this 75 years anniversary. (My American Father was a survivor of the Normandy Landings he came from Chicago. Sadly died 1989 but he “did his bit” for us in WW2)
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Whoops – my comment seems to have gone astray. A big thank you, posthumously, to your father. The MAT has only recently taken up the research of the wall, using volunteers but with wonderful equipment that can find names that have almost disappeared. I am almost sure now that people are aware of it, that there may some plaque or other coming. Are you going to any of the commemorations taking place along the coast?
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Not sure yet.
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Dear Southampton Old Lady, The first pic labelled ‘Southampton, The day before D-Day’ is definitely not Southampton. At a guess I would say Weymouth. Many thanks, Kip
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Hello there Kip, it was great to see you in the photos with the Veterans who came all the way from North America to visit the wall. You have been instrumental in the recording of the part that they have played in Southampton and the south coast in general. I have been so excited about the project, but now live in Dorset.
When I asked permission to use the photo you mention – 3 years ago now – it was labelled as Southampton. I did not recognise it myself an thought that it might be Northam (before the Blitz), Hythe, Warsash or Hamble which all tends to get labelled under Southampton because it is the nearest City. I have gleaned a lot more in the last three years, mainly from your wonderful Facebook posts on the Southampton Heritage and Southampton History sites.
This WordPress site ran out a few years ago, so although I can reply to comments, I cannot add or adjust any photos, so it will have to stay for now. But thank you for taking the time to read and add your comments.
Keep up your good work – it is much valued.
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